Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. 2. There were elders and influential families that spoke against Moses in the desert, God destroyed them and their families. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. That would be acceptable teaching. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. On that Haiti trip. You can review it. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attentionnot just for his new partnership, but also his provocative social media posts about women and marriage. And Dan said it was just so unnerving. Understandable. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. You can unconditionally love someone. That was positioned as an attack from the start. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And he said, you know, James Macdonald had requested that I come out to a meeting and he had requested Mike Dunwoody and one other elder Mark Hopwood was a longtime elder from Elgin that we would all join them for a meeting at seven oclock on that Thursday night. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. . They discuss the role of journalism as it relates to local churches and prominent leaders, and her her current work investigating Harvest Bible Chapel and Pastor James MacDonald. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? He should sell cars or computers. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . We had to deal with it. Im sad for his fall. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. And now think about this. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? So its critically important that the truth be told. You cant unconditionally support anybody. No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. A strong woman with a stronger husband will become an unstoppable, gracious, and capable woman. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. That didnt happen. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. Im Julie Roys. I wish Id never done it. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And I was still on the board. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. And you got all of them. Because again, that was one letter that never got published and the contents, other than what Ron Duitsman said in his recent video because he actually referenced that letter. She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. And the pain is overwhelming. Dan, thank you for being a humble man of God. This man has been your pastor for decades. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. There was just enough false doctrine so that it was swallowed up with the truth. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. And then he apologized. It does. Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. I had all the letters at that point. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. I payed for you and James. It wasnt an argument. 28 Feb 2023 13:40:27 Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. And its to warn people, right? And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. No, Im just reporting. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. To donate, Lead Pastor and Exec Team of ARC Megachurch Resign Amid Allegations of Bullying and Financial Misconduct, EXCLUSIVE: Dozens Say ARC Megachurch Pastor Bullied and Shamed Staff, Volunteers, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Yes, I agree. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. 2011 NIV. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. Yes, yes. Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. Lets try little role reversal here. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. It was a four hour meeting. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? No One Knows. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. His support of Kari Lake shows that he supports her lies. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. Longtime leader of the Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel James MacDonald has been ousted as senior pastor in light of unsavory remarks he made on a hot mic that were aired on local media Tuesday. Very interesting discussion. I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. To donate, click here. He would probably be wildly successful. So lets move on to these letters. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nations tour when they were in Haiti. Thank you Jesus, Amen. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. Thats a Tuesday night. Again, youre seeing it from a total other perspective where Im the bad guy, James is a good guy. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. And most of them, a number of them, Ill say, have not read any of these letters. How can we approve this? This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. And they are even beloved by God. Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . And and that would be my word to James McDonald. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. But that is my hope. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. And the things that were done to them after they left. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. I know its your hope too, Dan, and I just want to thank you. Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. And there was a group and we had two prayer meetings of people who had been former elders, staff people who have gone on the record with me. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. How about that one? Good to be here. Instead, he blocked our access to his and Generation Churchs social media accounts. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. Its come to this. Pastor James MacDonald. That this wasnt just James failure. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. Well, maybe it had approval by the executive elders, maybe it had approval by Fred Adams, who was the CFO at the time. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic And everybody had to say, right? Hi. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. Thats what the weight was. . And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. He further claims Harvests elders crafted false accusations against him as a pure act of vindictiveness to cover the churchs looting of his former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. James MacDonald and Harvest: Years of Discord . Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. But this is a story that just is not going away. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. . And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. Ill write a statement. 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According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. Literally more than two dozen people. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. Jennifer It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. I did not cover my iniquity. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. No One Knows. Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. And so she sent me a letter before it went to the elder board. We will talk through it. Thats even though MacDonalds former megachurch, Harvest Bible Chapel, disqualified MacDonald from public ministry in 2019 for a pattern of sinful behavior.. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . He was an incredible communicator both orally and his deportment was engaging. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. Ive already told you there was consensus from board. Is that how it went down? I look back at those meetings. They should go to the reconciliation team. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. . Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? Of it could be that shes been taken in by him. If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . Hes asking for money. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. Only Gods opinion is what counts. This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. . It was a large elder board. . I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. And thats got to be a heavy. However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. I knew I had to do it. And I stopped my car. Yeah. Today the guys share their conversation with journalist, author, and speaker Julie Roys. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. But he starts arguing process. Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. 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