#metoo. We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years and were sad when the Ortbergs left to California. I agree/support the various responses to Brad Brucker. But Hybels and Willow Creek kept moving forward. Stunned, I finally slipped my arms up between us and pushed him away. We can only judge actions. Ambien was his excuse and it worked for quite awhile. Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it? She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. Little children they say do not like to be hugged by the old people so I dont do it. My only (small) hang-up is that the authors, Bill and Lynne Hybels, use examples and stories that are probably pretty dated for 22-28 year-olds getting married nowadays. People want to see us deal with our sin openly and humbly. When we overlook this, we open doors for people like pedophiles and other predators to enter the church and carry out their dark deeds. Its evidence. Given the name Cephas, walking on water (for a time), given the keys of the kingdom and the charge to strengthen the brethren and feed the Lords sheep, speaking out on Pentecost after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, sharing the Gospel with Cornelius and the Gentiles, and everything else listed in Acts 1-15. Is there love afte. I hope someone captured that document. : . I bet she had help. Its the whole structure of the godly pastor on stage week after week. So much! She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. . Still not handled. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. Nothing can really tear down the church, as I think it was Law Prof that said, but people can get pretty mad when their fantasy of church and the people that promote that fantasy are shown to be very imperfect. Is that structure really the best way to know Christ? But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. Theres been so much of this lately that I think (hope!) Willow Creek Community Church initially started as a high school ministry but grew over time to become one of the biggest Churches in the United . People of Willow Creek, save your church by demanding resignations from he full Elder Board and lead pastors. On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. Take responsibility for your actions and the role you played! teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Hey WCCC, set up an 800 number with an outside firm so anyone with information can call without fear of being shamed on stage or in the press. This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. Give me the bellicose jerks any time. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. But David and all Israel beginning at Davids own house bore the consequences of the sin. memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. I pity you if thats the case. It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. There are many similar type of things over the years I did not mention. You had a bad leader, and a bunch of elders who were unwilling to accept that, and call him on it. https://futuristguymedia.wordpress.com/thresholds-of-evidence/. Darn it! https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg The celebs were protected by their inner circle who went along with the exterior lie of image and performance, hiding ugly dark secrets. As I said, I dont hug people at work. Like you, quite a few of us have spent years studying it deeply. The pastor didnt understand that this was not about sex but about control and power. You think you know yet you dont. Bill Hybels verbally and emotionally intimidated both female and male employees. Enough is enough. Lynne Hybelsis the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois, This year in 2018, Billhas been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynnefounded, In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and grief on those at the Why wait until now?? What they are doing is exactly what someone who has been there would expect them to do. Surely someone from the WCC trebuchet club could have found somebody better at weaving a tale. I know the sun will rise in the morning, that there is a light at the end of every tunnel.Michael Morpurgo. It was not well written It was a farce and all those behind it need to get a reality check. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. So what does that say about what he thinks of me that he thinks he can help himself to my woman? Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. See, here is the problem . has been proclaimed against the Devil and his Witches. That is a big part of the problem. We still need to get together on that religious research thingie. Im unclear about what faith journey means, but it sounds very Willow Creek. It was part of his long time abuse of her. Not just anyone can do it well. One comment not allowed. I dont have to be a fan of Nancy Ortberg to take her testimony seriously. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? Is that one of the reasons Student Centers/University Unions include Mall Food Courts and all the amenities of a high-end cruise ship? I have been doing some background checking into this. Like the real estate/mortgage broker years ago who the day before the search warrant came down, backed up an industrial shredder van to their office for an all-day shred-everything party. @ Davis and Natasha: One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . Thank you for bringing this to everyones attention!! They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth.. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. Not a word. The question is this: if Jesus came to visit your church, would he jump for joy and say, Yes! At what point did Nancy inform her husband? You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. As a p.s. there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. Try as I might, I do not see that sort of response in Scripture. Its their normal. We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. Once again, power is used to disrespect and mistreat others thereby inflicting invisible but very real, very painful wounds. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. This is largely Christianese. We got in deep, and had a very tough time when we got out. Does Bill Hybel teach future pastors how to get their IT departments to have special deals? . Followed by the disciples, who never promoted themselves, built buildings, staged shows, had followers, had a staff. This is exactly what I had in mind!? This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. Its called passive aggressive and deflection. The Body of Christ will be fine. I really liked your comment. Will the newly installed Willow Creek pastoral leadership/management just put a proverbial 501(c)3 band-aid on an open sore and continue business as usual; now that there has been identified a large hole in this churchs ethical, moral and scriptural superstructure? We still do not know what that really means. Put it in context and think about such a convo. I outlined above the typical reasons people dont mention uncomfortable incidents with someone they trust or admire. My mom would come up to my room and cuddle while we talked when I was little and not so little. So sad that we are talking about this within the context of the pulpit! That is stunning. Sadly, this woman does not understand how business is conducted. ..I know my sheep and they know me .. He came to die for His sheep and he knew us before we were born. 2022 Special Gift: As a token of God's faithfulness in his life, his family and ministry, all these . Now, you should go back and read about victims and try to learn why this open letter hurts real victims. I do and I wont allow this pathetic attempt to hurt another. You expect typical bad rock star behavior, more likely, because thats the norm. Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? We were just people who assumed the best of those who claimed to be leading in the name of God. Prestige of Willow Creek? So done. Shameful! Willow is no exception. More than we know. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. This easy-to-follow guide for enjoying a happy, healthy, and lifelong relationship includes . Bill called my hotel room in Sweden, in February of 1998, after a long conference day. Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors Those are, in my opinion, less the goals than the tools used to achieve the real goals, which I am guessing are not the spiritual health of the Body of Christ. Interesting how you get it, but those in high places do not. tax. sigh. That attitude was a LOT more prevalent than people think. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. I, like so many others a tragic victim of corrupted Christianity. You gotta really watch out for people who hug themselves. Abuse works on the good-hearted the ones who are trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, questioning their own discernment, seeking to extend charity. On Tuesday, Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels announced that he's resigning amid sexual-misconduct allegations made by church members and employees. In this case, not only Peter but Barnabas and others were getting caught up in inerrant action that impacted Christian fellowship. As Im reading the comments, its becoming evident that theres something horribly wrong with Willow Creek church. And sadly most victims spend YEARS time trying to answer the question why they were targeted. Dont know, but I wonder. Shameful! They sounded clearly clueless about the price and pain that Hybels' behavior inflicted on his victims. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel. @ Lydia. Things that often included the emotional or spiritual wounding of others, if not actual physical or sexual abuse, were overlooked, out of a misplaced trust and loyalty to a so-called man of God. That said, this is all so tragic. The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . As I continued reading the thread, you did not sound at all like the person on Twitter. 3434 pant, right? (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) She, too, encountered the Ambien excuse. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. I have books by Bill Hybels on my shelves, and really thought he was one of the good ones. I am one of His people. My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. Ambien made me do it (Bill Hybels) I cannot imagine the pain, the hurt. Sigh. Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. I was prescribed ambien, and I was one of those affected in that way behaving strangely and not remembering it the next day. And it still doesnt negate what Bill Hybels did, even if it were to be true. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. And you re-evaluate. Leaders who walk in the dark are not representing Jesus but rather the same Devil the original Pharisees did. when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days, Indeed, the Lords hand is not too short to save, and His ear is not too deaf to hear. He did so for a reason and it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. If there is a 40 year pattern of behaviors, it doesnt matter. I just posted an article with links to two case studies from the #MeToo movement, one from the entertainment field (Joss Whedon) and one from the skeptics/scientists author-speaker circuit (Lawrence Krauss). The lead elder talks about a duty to protect the church and cites Acts 20:28 which allows her to indirectly call the betrayed wolves and enemies of the church. But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. I dont know about anybody else, but when I see something bonkers like that I tend to leave it alone, @ Forrest: Really? . They share two children named Shauna Niequist who is a bestselling Christian author and Todd Hybels Who Is Lynne Hybels Lynne is the co-founder of Willow Creek Community Church and author of Nice Girls Don't Change the World and a columnist for Sojourners magazine. He was talking about how successful Sociopaths and Swindlers and Abusers are masters of Camouflage (and Misdirection)! Note: Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. I did this research a while back, so if Im remembering right, a few things I read indicated that the evidence destroyed/withheld would automatically be assumed to be against the legal case of those who destroyed/withheld it, and the jury was instructed that they were required to view the situation that way. The letter was ill received and insulting to victims. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. Alway such an emphasis on putting Willow Creek 1st, how about putting Jesus 1st? Or God is discipling yet another church. Taught many lies in the churches even to the point where we unknowingly give homage to the devil. Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. This leads those who might otherwise speak up about inappropriate behavior to not cast the first stone. She is the co-founder of Willow Creek Community Church, and wife to Bill Hybels the founder and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church. Dont work for Megas, folks. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. Having Church in your club title does not necessarily mean it is the Bride of Christ. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). They appointed local leaders in the local churches. So call the best pastor you can, but the best pastor is the most Christ-like, not the most TV-ready. Hybels problem seemed to be hotel rooms. @ dee: WCC defenders. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bill's wife was made aware of the situation. What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? Of course, you have move people beyond that into a mature relationship with the Lord and some megas neglect this. And Mahaney books. If we are not to judge, why would there be a list of sins in the Bible, including in the NT, with an admonishment to punish people via church discipline. Ephesians 4:2. You did nothing to invite such horrors of sexual abuse. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? 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